Patrick Stevenson PK Appeal

[StevieJr]

Alright.

Originally I wasn't planning on making an appeal regarding Steve's death, as I felt that it would be retarded to do so.

 

Circumstances: A bug had stabbed Stevenson in the chest. I RP'd there being a punctured lung. The mission runner Deckers said I had a five minute timer to survive if proper medical RP was done on me. I rolled a 7. Sounds fair?

I was completely capable of surviving had a medic been on at the time. But since no one on the drop was capable of reviving me, and/or doing medical RP and proper medical on myself, it was evented that I had bled to death.

I got my last words in yada yada. The dropship arrived about 30 seconds after I had died, making it feel even worse because of that narrow time between being able to actually be treated, and as my character simply sat there bleeding to death. 

 

I was actively PMing people the entire time asking them to help me, do what they could since no medics were on but simply no one did any MEDRP on me at all, and simply let me die.

I am appealing this because I believe the circumstances I died under were just off, and it wasn't fair to myself since I was given a massive chance to survive, but my character died due to the fact no medical players were on to help me.

I didn't originally want to do this appeal because I'd feel like a piece of shit since everyone already did the RP of me dying. I also believe this appeal is just, and as I said it wasn't fair how I was killed, when I had every chance to live.

[Xalphox]

@Deckers inviting you to respond sweetie

[Deckers]

Okie doke. 

 

Simple matter of fact is you rolled a 7 while holding a critical position that was completely opened by bugs while using a character that is part of a high PK faction.

 

Giving 5 minutes was being nice and giving your character a chance to survive, but again, being part of a faction that states it has a high pk risk you fell victim to that.

 

You had every chance to live, more so than dozens of other people. How is that not fair? 

[Xalphox]

10 hours ago, Deckers said:

Okie doke. 

 

Simple matter of fact is you rolled a 7 while holding a critical position that was completely opened by bugs while using a character that is part of a high PK faction.

 

Giving 5 minutes was being nice and giving your character a chance to survive, but again, being part of a faction that states it has a high pk risk you fell victim to that.

 

You had every chance to live, more so than dozens of other people. How is that not fair? 

 

As I understand it there were physically no medics on the server, however ICly the MI would never drop without medics on hand - they would have been there behind the scenes. If I had been on server with my medic Brooker I know I would have made a concerted effort to come to their aid, up to and risking death myself - I think many of my colleagues within the medical division would have done the same.

 

1. Does that not effectively mean the operating and substantial cause of his death is an OOC technicality? Is that not unfair? 

2. If there had been medics there, would there have been anything substantial that would have hindered our ability to come to Stevenson's rescue?

[Xalphox]

@Pacer I am also told you administered medical care?

[Deckers]

4 hours ago, Xalphox said:

 

As I understand it there were physically no medics on the server, however ICly the MI would never drop without medics on hand - they would have been there behind the scenes. If I had been on server with my medic Brooker I know I would have made a concerted effort to come to their aid, up to and risking death myself - I think many of my colleagues within the medical division would have done the same.

 

1. Does that not effectively mean the operating and substantial cause of his death is an OOC technicality? Is that not unfair? 

2. If there had been medics there, would there have been anything substantial that would have hindered our ability to come to Stevenson's rescue?

The wound was mortal, medic could have stabilized until EVAC arrived but the necessity was for Stevenson to evacuate the field. 

 

From my remembrance, Stevenson never left his suit of armor for quite a period of time for anyone to have had worked on him until I believe Pacer did do so, but my memory is foggy as it's been a little bit since this PK.

 

If there are medics in the field OOCly then why does this situation come to knowledge in this specific case? There shouldn't be special treatment because Stevie lost his character.

 

Leadership on this drop was not effective either, several gafs occurred throughout the drop.

 

Stevenson was holding an opened defense against hundreds of Arachnids. His own words to me were something along the lines of going down like a badass. He is part of a high PK faction that seemingly does more to NOT get PKed and failing to understand what their new role is, along with the IC leadership failing to understand that new role.

 

From my understanding this PK was fair when I administered it.

[StevieJr]

Just now, Deckers said:

The wound was mortal, medic could have stabilized until EVAC arrived but the necessity was for Stevenson to evacuate the field. 

 

From my remembrance, Stevenson never left his suit of armor for quite a period of time for anyone to have had worked on him until I believe Pacer did do so, but my memory is foggy as it's been a little bit since this PK.

 

If there are medics in the field OOCly then why does this situation come to knowledge in this specific case? There shouldn't be special treatment because Stevie lost his character.

 

Leadership on this drop was not effective either, several gafs occurred throughout the drop.

 

Stevenson was holding an opened defense against hundreds of Arachnids. His own words to me were something along the lines of going down like a badass. He is part of a high PK faction that seemingly does more to NOT get PKed and failing to understand what their new role is, along with the IC leadership failing to understand that new role.

 

From my understanding this PK was fair when I administered it.

I was pulled out of my armor as soon as I recieved the wound and I was placed in the medical shed we had established.

 

And I said /if/ I did die, I would go down like a badass. Not if I had survived, then I still would have gotten a wound like a badass. I was also not completely in the open, I was using cover to my advantage, but I was also holding that flank on my own to be fair, but because I had no one to assist me due to as you said, shit tier leadership, which I completely agree with.

 

And to be fair at the time you were intoxicated. I try not to say this justifies it. But my point stands that if a medic was there, they COULD have stabilized me and kept me alive. As the battle was over. 

5 hours ago, Xalphox said:

 

As I understand it there were physically no medics on the server, however ICly the MI would never drop without medics on hand - they would have been there behind the scenes. If I had been on server with my medic Brooker I know I would have made a concerted effort to come to their aid, up to and risking death myself - I think many of my colleagues within the medical division would have done the same.

 

1. Does that not effectively mean the operating and substantial cause of his death is an OOC technicality? Is that not unfair? 

2. If there had been medics there, would there have been anything substantial that would have hindered our ability to come to Stevenson's rescue?

The battle was over after I went down, there was one other wounded individual. I may have been able to been stabilized on the field before I was EVAC'd, but there was no way they had any of the training nor equipment in the basic infantry IFAK to save my life. In the words of pacer himself, he told me that there was nothing he could ICly do to stabilize stevenson due to the equipment he didn't have, and training he didn't have with said equipment.

[Deckers]

6 minutes ago, StevieJr said:

I was pulled out of my armor as soon as I recieved the wound and I was placed in the medical shed we had established.

 

And I said /if/ I did die, I would go down like a badass. Not if I had survived, then I still would have gotten a wound like a badass. I was also not completely in the open, I was using cover to my advantage, but I was also holding that flank on my own to be fair, but because I had no one to assist me due to as you said, shit tier leadership, which I completely agree with.

 

And to be fair at the time you were intoxicated. I try not to say this justifies it. But my point stands that if a medic was there, they COULD have stabilized me and kept me alive. As the battle was over. 

The battle was over after I went down, there was one other wounded individual. I may have been able to been stabilized on the field before I was EVAC'd, but there was no way they had any of the training nor equipment in the basic infantry IFAK to save my life. In the words of pacer himself, he told me that there was nothing he could ICly do to stabilize stevenson due to the equipment he didn't have, and training he didn't have with said equipment.

The battle was NOT over when you went down. Arachnids were attacking the shed you were in along with the other wounded member.

 

Bringing up my "intoxication" seems more like your attempt at attacking character. You were not in cover and you were holding the flank against hordes of Arachnids. I don't need a crazy amount of clarity to remember that clear as day. The cover was destroyed, I remember because Saiphan was spamming it out of his ass with toolgun so we removed the ability for more defenses and removed defenses where the Arachnids attacked.

 

I'll make a point again where you're lucky that you even got the 5 minutes till EVAC could have arrived or stabilization could have happened. You're part of a high PK faction and recieved a mortal wound. MOST players have been PKed with less. 

[StevieJr]

7 minutes ago, Deckers said:

The battle was NOT over when you went down. Arachnids were attacking the shed you were in along with the other wounded member.

 

Bringing up my "intoxication" seems more like your attempt at attacking character. You were not in cover and you were holding the flank against hordes of Arachnids. I don't need a crazy amount of clarity to remember that clear as day. The cover was destroyed, I remember because Saiphan was spamming it out of his ass with toolgun so we removed the ability for more defenses and removed defenses where the Arachnids attacked.

I'm not even attacking you. You keep acting like this PK appeal is an attack towards your life, when it isn't. I am simply stating my PK is unfair. I was in cover. I was behind a steel fortification, and would occasionally fall back after I got overrun. Bug managed to kill me, boom I am dead, I roll. But the cover was still there, that fortification in question was still there when I went down, it was there when I got out of the shed to go to the dropship. It was next to the shed, not on the cliff, this fortification.

 

And as far as I know, when Eley called for MOBCOMM, which was about 2 minutes or so into the timer, the bugs had stopped coming and the dropship was on the way. Stop saying it is a high PK faction, like that's even relevant to my opportunities to be saved just as much as the MI or any other faction on this server. Anyone would recieve the same fair medical treatment. That I would be last priority ICly just because I am a 'high pk faction'.

[Deckers]

31 minutes ago, StevieJr said:

I'm not even attacking you. You keep acting like this PK appeal is an attack towards your life, when it isn't. I am simply stating my PK is unfair. I was in cover. I was behind a steel fortification, and would occasionally fall back after I got overrun. Bug managed to kill me, boom I am dead, I roll. But the cover was still there, that fortification in question was still there when I went down, it was there when I got out of the shed to go to the dropship. It was next to the shed, not on the cliff, this fortification.

 

And as far as I know, when Eley called for MOBCOMM, which was about 2 minutes or so into the timer, the bugs had stopped coming and the dropship was on the way. Stop saying it is a high PK faction, like that's even relevant to my opportunities to be saved just as much as the MI or any other faction on this server. Anyone would recieve the same fair medical treatment. That I would be last priority ICly just because I am a 'high pk faction'.

 

I'm sorry my persistence in making this PK stick makes it seem to you I'm defending my life.

 

You were not behind cover. You were holding an open flank. Bugs continued to attack well into the timer. It IS a high PK faction, says it on the application thread. Doesn't change level of care but makes Marauders more dangerous and susceptible to PKs, huh what a kawinkydink! You got PKed and had a Marauder character! You were in a high PK faction! Doesn't change anything except you're more likely to be PKed, especially when you hold an open flank solo.

 

 

[Deckers]

Also for the sake of witness accounts.

 

Your name and rank: Private First Class Chiyuki Asahi

Date of the event: 12/30

Recipient: Senior Specialist Patrick Stevenson (Deceased)

Detailed account of the act: I was squad lead and was holding a part of the hill we were at. Our forces were stretched completely thin and Orange (us) Had no way of defending the rear. Stevenson took it upon himself to walk to the other side of the hill, alone. He ended up clearing what could only be assumed as a ludicrous amount of bugs by himself. Safely securing the flank and allowing Orange to pull back to a safer pull back line. Which we did. Sadly Stevenson passed away later on in the drop.

((associated maps)): gm_forest_final_2018

Witnesses: Tzipora Bronson, (First name unknown) Saiphan, (First name unknown) Atkins, Ronny Range. Possible witnesses. They were all busy holding the other flanks.

[StevieJr]

3 minutes ago, Deckers said:

Also for the sake of witness accounts.

 

Your name and rank: Private First Class Chiyuki Asahi

Date of the event: 12/30

Recipient: Senior Specialist Patrick Stevenson (Deceased)

Detailed account of the act: I was squad lead and was holding a part of the hill we were at. Our forces were stretched completely thin and Orange (us) Had no way of defending the rear. Stevenson took it upon himself to walk to the other side of the hill, alone. He ended up clearing what could only be assumed as a ludicrous amount of bugs by himself. Safely securing the flank and allowing Orange to pull back to a safer pull back line. Which we did. Sadly Stevenson passed away later on in the drop.

((associated maps)): gm_forest_final_2018

Witnesses: Tzipora Bronson, (First name unknown) Saiphan, (First name unknown) Atkins, Ronny Range. Possible witnesses. They were all busy holding the other flanks.

This was a different situation. Actually, not the one I died in.

Just talked to Arrow.

[10:46 AM]
Arrow:
    ur right
    thats not the same one
    i can vouch for that honestly

[10:46 AM]
StevieJr:
    i know

[10:46 AM]
Arrow:
    that was near the beginning of the drop where i first told westervelt wew cant hold the full hill
    u can quote me if u want

[10:46 AM]
StevieJr:
    i will quote you

[10:46 AM]
Arrow:
    np bud
 

[Deckers]

3 minutes ago, StevieJr said:

This was a different situation. Actually, not the one I died in.

Just talked to Arrow.

[10:46 AM]
Arrow:
    ur right
    thats not the same one
    i can vouch for that honestly

[10:46 AM]
StevieJr:
    i know

[10:46 AM]
Arrow:
    that was near the beginning of the drop where i first told westervelt wew cant hold the full hill
    u can quote me if u want

[10:46 AM]
StevieJr:
    i will quote you

[10:46 AM]
Arrow:
    np bud
 

However it leads to the thought you were playing hero through the drop, in which case you did. As you once again held the flank, solo, against hordes of bugs.

[StevieJr]

2 minutes ago, Deckers said:

However it leads to the thought you were playing hero through the drop, in which case you did. As you once again held the flank, solo, against hordes of bugs.

I wasn't. I was simply covering empty sectors because we didn't have the men to hold the hill and I knew I could do it.

That still isn't relevant to there being no medics, Deckers.

Covering flanks is common sense, not heroics.

[Deckers]

Just now, StevieJr said:

I wasn't. I was simply covering empty sectorts because we didn't have the men to hold the hill and I knew I could do it.

That still isn't relevant to there being no medics, Deckers.

It's relevant to the PK Stevie. You were, you SAID you were up above where you admitted to being alone and stated due to shitty leadership.

 

You were holding a flank solo, without cover against hordes of bugs. As mission runner I didn't even HAVE to use the rolling system, nor give you the 5 minute grace period.

 

Your character was a Marauder and he held the line against more than he could handle and was killed for it. 

[StevieJr]

16 minutes ago, Deckers said:

It's relevant to the PK Stevie. You were, you SAID you were up above where you admitted to being alone and stated due to shitty leadership.

 

You were holding a flank solo, without cover against hordes of bugs. As mission runner I didn't even HAVE to use the rolling system, nor give you the 5 minute grace period.

 

Your character was a Marauder and he held the line against more than he could handle and was killed for it. 

You said you gave me a chance to survive. You're going back on what you said about that. Doesn't change my standing points, and that medics didn't exist on the drop and that made it retarded.

I'll wait for Xalphox's opinion on the matter for now.

[Deckers]

Just now, StevieJr said:

You said you gave me a chance to survive. You're going back on what you said about that. Doesn't change my standing points.

I'll wait for Xalphox's opinion on the matter for now.

How am I going back on that by making a point that you were doing something PKable withbut the roll system? 

 

I gave you the 5 minute grace period, that happened. Can't go back on it, don't be ridiculous. 

 

Best to wait for Xalphox, yeah.

[Xalphox]

2 hours ago, Deckers said:

The wound was mortal, medic could have stabilized until EVAC arrived but the necessity was for Stevenson to evacuate the field. 

This is pretty key.

 

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If there are medics in the field OOCly then why does this situation come to knowledge in this specific case? There shouldn't be special treatment because Stevie lost his character.

Nobody has ever been PKed on SSTRP before distinctly because of a lack of OOC medics, or if they have it has never reached me. I would feel the same way in those circumstances too: it's not Stevie's fault or anybody else if no medics decide to attend an event. ICly the MI would never drop without medics. The exception to this is if there are medics, and the MI leadership allows them to be killed or incapacitated.

 

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Leadership on this drop was not effective either, several gafs occurred throughout the drop.

But by your own admission it wasn't the operating and substantial cause of his death - the lack of medics were.

 

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Stevenson was holding an opened defense against hundreds of Arachnids. His own words to me were something along the lines of going down like a badass. He is part of a high PK faction that seemingly does more to NOT get PKed and failing to understand what their new role is, along with the IC leadership failing to understand that new role.

That's on him, but again, the operating and substantial cause of his death were the lack of medics. If there were medics, he would have likely survived.

 

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From my understanding this PK was fair when I administered it.

Per your request I will put this to an XA vote amongst ourselves once Orwell and co are online later.

[Xalphox]

Discussed this with the XAs - we have agreed to sustain the appeal (with conditions) on a 2-1 vote. 

 

Stevenson would have spent the last 7 days in the tank, and will be soft TKed for the next 4 OOC days - 1 day will be spent confined to the medical bay, 3 days confined to the ship.

 

It will come with substantial recovery challenges that @F r a n c o will probably detail, as pneumothorax is one of his hobbies.

[F r a n c o]

TL;DR is after traumatic lung injury, even after its 'fully healed', your lung was not at peak performance for a significant period of time, and itll take a bit for your body to readjust to the full flow of oxygen. It takes less effort to become winded, less effort to feel out of breath or to feel pain in the chest.

 

for me its been over a year and im still feeling the effects of my lung. It can obviously vary, but generally stevenson will be feeling this for, minimum, a few months.

 

[StevieJr]

1 minute ago, F r a n c o said:

TL;DR is after traumatic lung injury, even after its 'fully healed', your lung was not at peak performance for a significant period of time, and itll take a bit for your body to readjust to the full flow of oxygen. It takes less effort to become winded, less effort to feel out of breath or to feel pain in the chest.

 

for me its been over a year and im still feeling the effects of my lung. It can obviously vary, but generally stevenson will be feeling this for, minimum, a few months.

 

I figured. I'll make sure to RP it.