The Federation (General Outlook)

[Rook]

This is essentially a rough draft of the Federation's political outlook based on what I know of the Federation's social policy. The simulator wasn't ideal, as it didn't offer all the options the Federation possess (ie. Voting restricted to Veterans) But it was close.

 

The GDP:Spending ratio is way out of the realm of stability, but the concept of GDP in an absolute government that governs the entirety of the Human race is obsolete anyway..  

[El Excellente]

federation isn't space USA

[Rook]

6 hours ago, El Excellente said:

federation isn't space USA

?

[Deckers]

He's butthurt that Germany is being taken over by Muslims.

 

On that note, any further discussion in this committee that proves to not be helpful will result in warning points.

[El Excellente]

why would you get jailtime for prostitution and have to pay fines for casinos

[Rook]

10 minutes ago, El Excellente said:

why would you get jailtime for prostitution and have to pay fines for casinos

I don't recall the book mentioning prostitution as being legal and considering the Federation comes down hard on crime, I imagine that it would result in jail time (for the pimp) because of the criminal impact it has.

 

And fines on casinos are based on illegal institutions. A legal and certified casino would have no issue. 

[Bohannon]

Rook I cannot see the sectors part in this screen shot.

[Rook]

1 minute ago, Bohannon said:

Rook I cannot see the sectors part in this screen shot.

Sector info blocks the lower visuals when opened. Just use the bottom right bar graphs.

[Bohannon]

I know ill get called a tard for this but. I dont know how to read those.

[Rook]

1 minute ago, Bohannon said:

I know ill get called a tard for this but. I dont know how to read those.

No worries. It's not totally accurate in itself. I'm no economist. The basic gist is: The Federal government participates highly in its economy. While there is private ownership, certain things such as FEDNET are government owned and funded. Science is heavily funded and encouraged. Military is pretty much the center of the entire Federation and the cost of maintaining such a massive army is only possible by the Federation's government. The cost of maintaining just the Fleet alone would be out of the ken of any or even every other human colony combined.

[radical roach]

1 hour ago, Rook said:

I don't recall the book mentioning prostitution as being legal and considering the Federation comes down hard on crime, I imagine that it would result in jail time (for the pimp) because of the criminal impact it has.

 

And fines on casinos are based on illegal institutions. A legal and certified casino would have no issue. 

a large number of street prostitutes don't have "pimps"

[radical roach]

also i don't understand the top-right spending chart. how are they all 50%, shouldn't it all add up to 100?

 

edit nvm i checked out the site get it now

[Deckers]

Budget and economics on here will not be counted until I have my economics guy come in and sit down to create the UCFs said economy.

[Deckers]

Otherwise we can agree that the Federal Council is parliamentary style, with a Prime Councillor heading it. 

 

There's 244 seats to be had in the Federal Council.

 

 

[Rook]

2 hours ago, radical roach said:

also i don't understand the top-right spending chart. how are they all 50%, shouldn't it all add up to 100?

It's my understanding that the spending ratios are public vs. private funding. I.e... the Federation provides health care free of charge to every person, regardless of citizenship. However there are privately provided health care options for citizens and wealthy non-citizens.

 

50% equals how much the Federation provides as opposed to how much is private. 

 

Ultimately, like Deckers said, the finances aren't canon to the Federation. It is simply to the limit of what the simulator allowed. The Federation brings in a lot more than what is listed here. 

[Rook]

17 minutes ago, Deckers said:

Otherwise we can agree that the Federal Council is parliamentary style, with a Prime Councillor heading it. 

 

There's 244 seats to be had in the Federal Council.

 

 

Do we have any info on its judicial system?

[Deckers]

That's a negative. We're gonna have to back it up off of UK law and add anything that works with Federal law as we go.

[radical roach]

16 minutes ago, Rook said:

It's my understanding that the spending ratios are public vs. private funding. I.e... the Federation provides health care free of charge to every person, regardless of citizenship. However there are privately provided health care options for citizens and wealthy non-citizens.

 

50% equals how much the Federation provides as opposed to how much is private. 

 

Ultimately, like Deckers said, the finances aren't canon to the Federation. It is simply to the limit of what the simulator allowed. The Federation brings in a lot more than what is listed here. 

alright, in that case i'll leave alone the economic sections but recommend some changes to the rest of it

 

under the women's rights section the protection from wage discrimination should be added, as with numerous female sky marshals and military generals and admirals, sexism of that magnitude probably wouldn't exist

 

defamation should be decreased to only a fine-able offense as it is a civil issue

 

street prostitutes and escorts should be allowed with licenses, with brothels staying as they are set now. it doesn't make sense to me for sex workers who are doing so of their own free will to be prosecuted in a society described as "largely similar to the capitalist societies before the Disorders." most forward states as we know them now allow for sex workers.

 

local and online casinos should be allowed with license, as they come naturally with capitalist society and are great boons to economic growth.

 

homosexuals should be allowed adoption and the right to marriage, i don't know why the federation would restrict this as it is a secular and largely socially progressive society

 

same with transgenders on the issue of marriage. they should be allowed transition if they can cover the fees, presumably most medical insurances would not cover hormonal therapy or reassignment surgeries

 

the narcotics section is out of sorts. nicotine and alcohol use are age restricted but their sales are all punished by fines. liquor and tobacco licenses should be available to private businesses. uses of prohibited narcotics should be punishable by jail, and their sale should warrant death or life imprisonment. we may also want to reconsider cannabis laws what with the latest developments on marijuana laws, legalization, and decriminalization in our real life current days.

 

let me know what you think of all that

[Rook]

5 minutes ago, radical roach said:

under the women's rights section the protection from wage discrimination should be added, as with numerous female sky marshals and military generals and admirals, sexism of that magnitude probably wouldn't exist

That was just the default for saying that women had the same rights as men. The UCF does discriminate along gender lines in certain areas though. Women are promoted much more frequently than men in the Fleet- by design. Federal studies prove that women are typically more dexterous and mathematically gifted than men. Thus women are given first choice of command before a man, unless he's really exceptional. 

 

7 minutes ago, radical roach said:

defamation should be decreased to only a fine-able offense as it is a civil issue

I agree.

 

9 minutes ago, radical roach said:

street prostitutes and escorts should be allowed with licenses, with brothels staying as they are set now. it doesn't make sense to me for sex workers who are doing so of their own free will to be prosecuted in a society described as "largely similar to the capitalist societies before the Disorders." most forward states as we know them now allow for sex workers

The core book mentions nothing of prostitution, but considering that the moral decline of the pre-Federation world is one of the primary reasons why the Federation claims the old-world collapsed probably doesn't bode well for it as a practice.

31 minutes ago, radical roach said:

local and online casinos should be allowed with license, as they come naturally with capitalist society and are great boons to economic growth.

They are. Only illegal casinos are outlawed.

 

31 minutes ago, radical roach said:

homosexuals should be allowed adoption and the right to marriage, i don't know why the federation would restrict this as it is a secular and largely socially progressive society

They are. That was an error. I thought I had selected equal rights, but I must have hit the wrong thing. Same with the trannsexuals.

 

32 minutes ago, radical roach said:

the narcotics section is out of sorts. nicotine and alcohol use are age restricted but their sales are all punished by fines. liquor and tobacco licenses should be available to private businesses. uses of prohibited narcotics should be punishable by jail, and their sale should warrant death or life imprisonment. we may also want to reconsider cannabis laws what with the latest developments on marijuana laws, legalization, and decriminalization in our real life current days.

 

You have to be careful with pre-Federation laws. Not many of them survived. Many forms of narcotic simply died out during the disorders, along with their producers. There wasn't enough land to grow the food on, let alone a plot of land to grow weed. 

 

It may also be worth mentioning that various forms of sport no longer exist. For example; Golf, Soccer and horse racing are all examples of sports that died out and are no longer played in the Federation.

[radical roach]

no golf? im out

 

lol thanks though, i guess i wasn't as up on all of this as i thought i was. will do some reading and re evaluate

[Rook]

Just now, radical roach said:

no golf? im out

 

lol thanks though, i guess i wasn't as up on all of this as i thought i was. will do some reading and re evaluate

Neither am I really. There's a hell of a lot of information in those core books. And that's just one. There's several more. So I feel you there.  

[Archer]

there is all the info you need on the judicial system in the very same handbook provided. 

civil tribunals are used, with most if not all verdicts delivered by a tribunal of judges. most crimes are punished by public whipping, fines and jail time. public whipping is one of the most popular - which is why people shouldn't be like 'oh why this trooper is getting whipped SAVAGE', they literally see the same shit on the street since childhood as criminals get punished. death sentences exist, too.

[El Excellente]

8 hours ago, Rook said:

That was just the default for saying that women had the same rights as men. The UCF does discriminate along gender lines in certain areas though. Women are promoted much more frequently than men in the Fleet- by design. Federal studies prove that women are typically more dexterous and mathematically gifted than men. Thus women are given first choice of command before a man, unless he's really exceptional.

that's not discrimination, thats promotion by merit. if they do their job better, they are more eligible for a promotion, what does that have to do with sex

 

also the federation is very liberal, remember, there's unisex showers. I dont think the federation cares what you do in your free time

[Tonic]

On 9/23/2017 at 6:54 AM, El Excellente said:

that's not discrimination, thats promotion by merit. if they do their job better, they are more eligible for a promotion, what does that have to do with sex

 

also the federation is very liberal, remember, there's unisex showers. I dont think the federation cares what you do in your free time

This is correct.

 

The Federation does not discriminate in any fashion.  Otherwise, it would be more selective with who is even allowed to take the Oath.

 

Ultimately, the mindset of the Federation is that it prioritizes merit and excellence over gender studies.  The Federation hates using studies as a barrier to entry (opening class sequence in SST1).

 

The study explains why something may be the case (after the Federation was curious about X and financed the research).  The study does not affect standards or other internal processes/examinations.